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The
"What the Heck Are You People On??" Dept.:
MailBag for Issue #7
Comments by Stephanie "Bobbi" Bergman
Subject:GameKillaz
loonyboi: just look at the Quake 3: Arena shots that were scanned. Is anyone going to call that a killer new page?
Redwood: nope
H, Nach0KinG, GK writer here. A few points :
We don't get paid for what we do. We don't get sponsor revenue. 3 of our 4 are doing exams. With all due respect (your site is very good) we REALLY don't need told how badly we're doing. I don't think any of us set out to prove anything, like we're a killer news site, we never really intended it. In fact, it was originally a small RPG and Gaming website for the UK... but when we got Quake3 scans we decided to tell the world", as it were. This doesn't mean we consider ourselves "on par" with PQ, Redwood etc. (at the moment anyway =)
So I hope that clears a few things up...flame away m'bro =)
Nach0KinG / G0ldRu5h
Apologies, not flames.
I think it's pretty safe to say that the intention with that exchange was not to knock your site, more to use your site as an example of the short term memory people have for websites...everybody's brother looked at your page when those scans were posted, and now nobody could remember the name. For all we knew, it was an awesome site.
It's a shame, and it's something we all suffer from. We went there once, (some twice, I went back to see the 'they were pulled' message :)) and then forgot about it. But definately no intent to slam your site, and I wish it the best of luck. :)
Subject: The Community Summit
Very interesting article. What was most interesting to me were Joost Shuur's assertation that the community was "elitist", since he most certainly is not. I'm one of the 100,000 "Joe Shmoe" Quake webmasters someone mentioned. A couple of "online buddies" who read my page (and I theirs) hosted a "slipgate's down for six months" IRC party on March 9th, invited me and asked for help promoting their party. I had quite a bit of fun with it, and was surprised by an email from Joost that asked, "can i come?"
Perhaps it was a shot at Blue, I don't know. I also don't know how anyone could read all the mail Blue's page must generate.
I hadn't seen your page before tonight, good job! I'm adding it to the "Links" section of the Springfield Fragfest under "Other shooter sites". I ran across your page from Evil Avatar's page.
-Steve McGrew
Thanks for the link!
Not to specifically target Joost, but I think the argument can by made that by calling the community elitist, he must consider himself that way.
(I thought the idea of your party for Slipgate Central was hysterical, btw) :)
Subject: RE: Community Summit
You talk about the community being elitist and yet in the very presumption and topic of the article, the elitist attitude emerges to once again make me very sick and disturbed at the state of the Gaming Community.
For introductions, my name is Javier Heredia, known to many as Dukrous, and have been a very active participant in the Doom Community for about three years now. In my three years, I've seen a change in the Doom Community from a rag-tag bunch of level-makers and players to actual definable groups. At the core of this, for the past year has been a website I co-ran (with my longtime friend Andrew Stine AKA Linguica) called Functional Entropy, which has long since gone away. It's reason for begin retired as the opening of Doomworld, the first (and, during it's opening first few months, only) second-level domain site dedicated Doom and all things related to Doom. Doomworld is a part of the Telefragged network of games, and we would like to think that we serve some sort of purpose in keeping the Father of 3D shooters (Wolfenstein 3D being the Grandfather) alive and in the minds of current and future gamers.
Doomworld opened March 13, 1998, and since then we have been summarily ignored (and in some cases ridiculed) for having the site. Yet we were the first. The second site to compete with us is the newly minted Doomnation, which is part of the Frag-dot-Com network with Hanif at the helm. Yet, on it's first day, it has gotten mentions on Blue's and PlanetQuake's news page whereas Doomworld finally got it's first mention as a blurb on Blue's nearly three weeks ago in the Misc. section.
You want to talk about being hard to get into the community or the community being elitist? We've been asking for at least two months to be included in QBS2 with the firm belief that Doomworld qualifies as a site worthy to be put on the list, yet we have received no answers. Blue's News has a links page dedicated to all games, except Doom, despite repeated requests that he give us some space. And now, in what you propose is a Community Summit, a meeting of the most 'powerful' people in the community you have, like those before you, summarily ignored our community, which has continued to grow and thrive alongside the current crop of 3D shooters.
You wish to see elitism in action, review your actions and ask yourself 'Why wasn't members of the Doom Community invited?' If you answer is 'I do not know anyone from the Doom Community' then find out why you don't. For what you have dubbed as 'the best damn gaming magazine online', it appears you seem to be out of touch with the oldest and still thriving Gaming Community, the Doom Community.
Javier Hered